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Feeling_lucky 2019-02-03 01:08 AM

HN Single family home: Cowans Grove vs. Riverside South
 
Hello,
Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Which area do you think would be better? Cowan's grove or Riverside?
We have children, aged 8 and below (requiring access to City of Ottawa activities and schools) and we are working parents.
also considering:
1. Future demand
2. Accessibility to resources

Thank you in advance.

Jord 2019-02-03 09:24 PM

Hey there!

We were in the same boat about a year ago before we decided to buy in Cowan's Grove. You really can't go wrong, both communities are really nice. Coming from the market, we really like how close the plaza is in Findley creek. It will be about a 5 minute walk from where we bought. Although it's small, that plaza has everything you need - dentist, doctor, shopper's, LCBO, grocery store, restaurants... and there are many more commercial developments coming along bank street that will also be very walkable. Riverside south has a little plaza too, but it's not as walkable from the lots that are available now. It also doesn't have as much to offer in my opinion. There are allot of amenities coming to Riverside South at Earl Armstrong and Limebank, but that will be years away.

There is a massive park and really nice walking trails coming at the east end of Cowan's Grove. This was another factor in choosing Cowan's Grove. You should see the site plan for this park, it's very impressive!

I think demand is pretty high for the area considering just about every builder is in there now. I think this will only increase as the LRT comes to Albion/Leitrim and as more amenities come to the area.

Commuting isn't great for either community if you are working in the city. And public transit won't be any good either until LRT comes. I guess you could say that about the suburbs in general though.

Hope that helps!

caehlan 2019-02-04 10:57 AM

Good choice on HN - by far the best builder in both areas.

Demand is hard to predict. Accessibility to resources definitely leans in favour of Riverside South though. A few reasons:
1. The bridge to Barrhaven provides access to everything you need - today. Minto & Walter Baker Rec centers, schools from every board, every grocery store banner, every chain restaurant in existence, quick access to the 416 (and 401), every big box store in existence, multiple choices for coffee.. the list goes on
2. 10 minute drive to Merivale & Hunt Club or Hunt Club & Riverside where the list above repeats
3. 5 minute drive to Manotick if you want "small town"
4. Riverside South itself today has 5 elementary schools (French Catholic is just building their 2nd) and 1 high school. LCBO, Independent, shoppers, a few restaurants, doctors, dentists, gym etc..

Contrast that to Findlay Creek - 1 elementary school, 1 grocery store, a canadian tire, lcbo, timmies & mcds & shoppers... for everything else you are driving to south keys or further. The new plaza will help but not substantially.

Transit for both communities is basic right now. LRT will eventually serve both so no great advantage. That said 4 lane Limebank is a lot faster than bottlenecked Albion & Bank

Looking at future growth though - Riverside South has a lot more room to expand. Findlay Creek is limited on all 4 sides due to the NCC, protected wetlands & the urban boundary. So what you see today with Findlay Creek + a little bit of growth is what you are going to get for the next 50 years. Not that much more commercial or amenities planned - just more houses to fill in the gap up to Letrim road + the Cowans Grove and Pathway's developments in the south.

On the other hand Riverside South will grow south to Rideau Rd, north to Letrim, east to Bowesville with mixed use (combo of mid & high rise residential + commercial) planned around LRT in the town centre.

Maybe the constrained growth of Findlay Creek will force prices a bit higher, maybe access to more amenities will make Riverside South more attractive and priced higher. Hard to predict.

Feeling_lucky 2019-02-04 11:12 AM

Jord and caehlan,
Many many and many thanks for both if your input and recommendations. The points are all excellent and gives us a lot to think before we set our minds.
Have an awesome day :)

caehlan 2019-02-04 11:17 AM

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No problems. Just to add here are the latest community design plans for Riverside South & Findlay Creek (Letrim). You can see what is ultimately planned. The Riverside South one is going through an update. Letrim hasn't been officially updated since 2005. I've attached screenshots of the latest land use plans.

Riverside South: https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...uth_cdp_en.pdf
Findlay Creek: https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de.../con018658.pdf

Emanreru 2019-02-04 01:58 PM

I don't think the map is updated (since 2015) and incomplete. Actually Findlay Creek is expanding further down south joining Tartan/Tamarack community with Phoenix/eQ Homes with more future business/schools. With the new Amazon warehouse, new Hard Rock hotel at casino, new Alt hotel at airport, LRT line (2021), expansion to four lanes on Leitrim Rd/Bank St/Albion. The future sure does look extremely bright in Findlay Creek and of coarse Riverside South ;)

evoMR 2019-02-04 02:27 PM

I know Findley Creek will also be expanding to the parcel of land due west of the intersection of Bank and Leitrim. I believe Tartan and Tamarack are going to be building quite a bit there once they've finished up all the prep work.

As for Riverside South, they'll be going all the way to the south west, just before Rideau Rd (Cardel), from River Rd to Spratt (Claridge, Richcraft, Urbandale, and HN)

mgardens 2019-02-07 12:41 PM

We are really interested in Caivan in Barrhaven but just came across HN Homes - we'd prefer the Riverside South to Cowan's Grove I believe. Is there still availability in Riverside or will there be?

Does anyone have any feedback on HN Homes? What can be expected in terms of upgrade costs?

evoMR 2019-02-07 04:46 PM

HN comes with a lot of standard features already. What kind of upgrades were you thinking of getting?

I believe their next phase will be starting sometime in the first half of this year. From my understanding, phase 15 is about to be approved (between River rd and Spratt (East-West) and Borbridge and Rideau Rd (North-South))

mgardens 2019-02-07 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by evoMR (Post 335573)
HN comes with a lot of standard features already. What kind of upgrades were you thinking of getting?

I believe their next phase will be starting sometime in the first half of this year. From my understanding, phase 15 is about to be approved (between River rd and Spratt (East-West) and Borbridge and Rideau Rd (North-South))


I guess we'd mostly be looking at flooring (like hardwood on bedroom floor, tiles), shower size in ensuite, maybe increase finished basement area and standalone tub. Also, smaller things like water line for fridge, gas line for stove, some changes to cabinets... I imagine that given the standards, there aren't an insane amount of upgrades to do.

evoMR 2019-02-08 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgardens (Post 335574)
I guess we'd mostly be looking at flooring (like hardwood on bedroom floor, tiles), shower size in ensuite, maybe increase finished basement area and standalone tub. Also, smaller things like water line for fridge, gas line for stove, some changes to cabinets... I imagine that given the standards, there aren't an insane amount of upgrades to do.


waterline, and gas line are included as standard. I believe they also include the 60 x 36 sized showers as standard too.

Mitsuko 2019-05-06 05:55 PM

Hi everybody!
We recently (January 2019) purchased a single by HN-homes in Cowan's Grove (The Mayfair). Looking at the Site Plan there are still many free singles and a few of the townhomes are for sale as well. After the latest price increase (February) there have been almost no changes - see Site Plan. We don't know who are the other builders in the area (the white spots on the Site Plan), but if there are more people who purchased a house and want to share or compare their experience we'll be happy to participate.
Regards to all!

Feeling_lucky 2019-06-17 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitsuko (Post 336408)
Hi everybody!
We recently (January 2019) purchased a single by HN-homes in Cowan's Grove (The Mayfair). Looking at the Site Plan there are still many free singles and a few of the townhomes are for sale as well. After the latest price increase (February) there have been almost no changes - see Site Plan. We don't know who are the other builders in the area (the white spots on the Site Plan), but if there are more people who purchased a house and want to share or compare their experience we'll be happy to participate.
Regards to all!

Congratulations!

We bought a single home in Cowan's Grove too. The future park beside the pond looks amazing and promising.
We got a lot at RSS as well. We had to compare between the everyday necessities and decided on Cowan's Grove.
If I'm not mistaking, Urbandale homes are right beside HN. Claridge will be there too. Pheonix, Richcraft and EQ will be on the other side of Bank st.

Mitsuko 2019-06-19 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Feeling_lucky (Post 336754)
Congratulations!
If I'm not mistaking, Urbandale homes are right beside HN. Claridge will be there too. Pheonix, Richcraft and EQ will be on the other side of Bank st.

Congrats to you too!
As far as I know the white areas in the Site Plan (see link in my previous post) are for Urbandale. I'm not sure who's building in the north (grey) areas.
As for the park, here is a link to a more detailed plan:
https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...pt_plan_en.pdf
And here for the small parkette:
https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...pt_plan_en.pdf
There has been a public open house on June 12-th to view the park concept plans:https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...-and-9#1392182
Where is your lot?
Regards!

Mitsuko 2019-06-25 04:56 PM

Prices of HN Homes in Cowan's Grove and RSS changed since 1.June 2019.
Singles CG
Singles RSS
Towns CG
Towns RSS

Feeling_lucky 2019-07-05 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitsuko (Post 336763)
Congrats to you too!
As far as I know the white areas in the Site Plan (see link in my previous post) are for Urbandale. I'm not sure who's building in the north (grey) areas.
As for the park, here is a link to a more detailed plan:
https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...pt_plan_en.pdf
And here for the small parkette:
https://documents.ottawa.ca/sites/de...pt_plan_en.pdf
There has been a public open house on June 12-th to view the park concept plans:https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/publi...-and-9#1392182
Where is your lot?
Regards!

Thank you :)

I saw Claridge's new office and flag on the North grey area.

We are on Longworth, close to the big park. We are building a Kenson.
Where are you?

Did you start talking to a Home Coordinator already? We are waiting for her to contact us. Still haven't started looking into appliances! Not sure where to start. Too many decisions. Lol.

Mitsuko 2019-07-05 04:59 PM

We are on Longworth & Shuttleworth - we have a Mayfair.
Our meetings with the home, kitchen, interior design, electrical and other coordinators are over. 2 weeks ago we received a letter from HN-homes that they commenced with the construction of our home.
Don't go crazy:D with the appliances - just make a choice and find all the installation guides. The important once are the range (or cooktop/oven combination) and the fridge, because they might affect the kitchen resp. electrical design.
A piece of advice: go to the model homes where the materials are shown and start making your choices for all of them, with all the names, colours, manufacturer numbers etc. It will make the process with the interior designer easier. You might want to visit the showroom of the kitchen designer Deslaurier before the scheduled meeting (they are near to the plaza where IKEA is). Some of the materials resp. types of kitchen/bathroom cabinets are shown there, but not built in the model homes. This was the only way to learn that we can get higher bathroom cabinets, upper cabinet doors without pulls (handles), hanging (suspended) bathroom cabinets etc. etc.
Regards!

OttawaG 2019-07-05 06:13 PM

Useful info, thank everyone & have a great weekend :)

Feeling_lucky 2019-07-05 09:40 PM

Great advice. Thank you so much neighbor :)

SW126 2019-08-12 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling_lucky (Post 336856)
Thank you :)

I saw Claridge's new office and flag on the North grey area.

We are on Longworth, close to the big park. We are building a Kenson.
Where are you?

Did you start talking to a Home Coordinator already? We are waiting for her to contact us. Still haven't started looking into appliances! Not sure where to start. Too many decisions. Lol.

Hi there, Congrats for your new house first, just curious are you the one got the Kenson on a 50 size lot? Iím on the Longworth too!:)

Feeling_lucky 2019-08-13 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SW126 (Post 337063)
Hi there, Congrats for your new house first, just curious are you the one got the Kenson on a 50 size lot? Iím on the Longworth too!:)

Thank you! Congrats to you too.
Wish I thought of that idea, but its not us.

SW126 2019-08-13 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Feeling_lucky (Post 337067)
Thank you! Congrats to you too.
Wish I thought of that idea, but its not us.

Ok I thought you might be the neighbor next to us, we will be close anyway, I have a 8 years old boy. Once we all move in, I think those young people will have a lot of fun together!

Feeling_lucky 2019-08-13 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SW126 (Post 337068)
Ok I thought you might be the neighbor next to us, we will be close anyway, I have a 8 years old boy. Once we all move in, I think those young people will have a lot of fun together!

Awesome! We have 3 children around that age group. The neighborhood already got more attractive :)

YSP 2019-08-15 09:35 AM

We just recently purchased an Aston on Longworth! Happy to see a few Longworth neighbours on here ��

Feeling_lucky 2019-08-18 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by YSP (Post 337087)
We just recently purchased an Aston on Longworth! Happy to see a few Longworth neighbours on here ��

Congratulations!

Feeling_lucky 2019-08-18 10:31 AM

Anyone visited the area recently? The first HN owners just received their possession and lots of action going on. Exciting!

Our lot# is 104. Whats yours?

Mitsuko 2019-09-30 03:36 PM

Did something happen to the forum? Was it hacked?
I had some posts after the previous one and there have been answers and links and other useful information. It's gone now.
Were these posts deleted?

Feeling_lucky 2019-09-30 04:51 PM

You are right. Sucks.

bpsmicro 2019-10-01 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuko (Post 337110)
Did something happen to the forum? Was it hacked?
I had some posts after the previous one and there have been answers and links and other useful information. It's gone now.
Were these posts deleted?

There's a 1-liner at the top of the main forum page that says only that they had to go to a backup from Aug 20th. So yeah, looks like everything since Aug 20th is lost.

Mitsuko 2019-10-02 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bpsmicro (Post 337114)
There's a 1-liner at the top of the main forum page that says only that they had to go to a backup from Aug 20th. So yeah, looks like everything since Aug 20th is lost.

Oh, thank you for the information. I saw the note. Just "great"!
What can we do? Let's keep the threads alive!

SW126 2019-10-08 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling_lucky (Post 337098)
Anyone visited the area recently? The first HN owners just received their possession and lots of action going on. Exciting!

Our lot# is 104. Whats yours?

We are only 4 or 5 lots away! I often drove to the site since I'm currently living just on the other side of Bank:D
More and more people are moving in now, and in the following 2 months, more single homes will be ready from both U hand H. I only wish the city could finish the big park earlier.

Feeling_lucky 2019-10-08 09:33 PM

We wish that too. That way more people will be attracted to our area. When are you getting possession?

SW126 2019-10-08 09:35 PM

Next summer, probably half year earlier than you.

Feeling_lucky 2019-10-08 09:42 PM

Which house are you building? Kenson?
My sister just signed with HN today. They will be getting the home summer 2021.

SW126 2019-10-09 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Feeling_lucky (Post 337195)
Which house are you building? Kenson?
My sister just signed with HN today. They will be getting the home summer 2021.

Arlington, not a very popular one from hn

Feeling_lucky 2019-10-09 04:34 PM

End of the day what meets your needs is the best one. I considered it for a bit, but my husband was stuck on Kenson. Lol.

Mitsuko 2019-11-15 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SW126 (Post 337190)
We are only 4 or 5 lots away! I often drove to the site since I'm currently living just on the other side of Bank:D

How is the site looking now? Have you ben there recently? Did they start building in the empty parcels between Longworth and Shuttleworth - I believe these are Urbandale lots. As per Urbandale site all 31" and 35" lots are sold out - https://urbandaleconstruction.com/se...s&cowans-grove
Did they start a construction on the north-east corner of Longworth and Shuttleworth (beyond lot 117)?
I wonder why, but nothing's changing on HN-homes site plan since months - s. below. No new buyers? There are still some vacant lots.
https://hnhomes.com/documents/nov08-...-site-plan.pdf
Regards to all future neighbors!

SW126 2019-11-17 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitsuko (Post 337394)
How is the site looking now? Have you ben there recently? Did they start building in the empty parcels between Longworth and Shuttleworth - I believe these are Urbandale lots. As per Urbandale site all 31" and 35" lots are sold out - https://urbandaleconstruction.com/se...s&cowans-grove
Did they start a construction on the north-east corner of Longworth and Shuttleworth (beyond lot 117)?
I wonder why, but nothing's changing on HN-homes site plan since months - s. below. No new buyers? There are still some vacant lots.
https://hnhomes.com/documents/nov08-...-site-plan.pdf
Regards to all future neighbors!

So far, a lot of houses have been built on both sides of the Pergola, and many have moved in already. On the Longworth lot 117 side, only the first two lots have been started which were Urbandale houses, nothing happened for the rest lots........

Mitsuko 2019-11-18 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SW126 (Post 337399)
So far, a lot of houses have been built on both sides of the Pergola, and many have moved in already. On the Longworth lot 117 side, only the first two lots have been started which were Urbandale houses, nothing happened for the rest lots........

Thank you for the additional info!
I was thinking the whole empty area in the middle, between Longworth and Shuttleworth is under construction, but obviously it is not (yet).
Did they finish the plaza?

SW126 2019-11-19 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mitsuko (Post 337407)
Thank you for the additional info!
I was thinking the whole empty area in the middle, between Longworth and Shuttleworth is under construction, but obviously it is not (yet).
Did they finish the plaza?

Those areas have not been released yet. The plaza is there, almost been finished, but looks like the earliest opening will be next spring.


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