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Old 2012-04-11, 12:56 PM
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I just purchased a home from a builder, (whose name i have to remove now) and construction won't begin until september. Just recently my husband and I went to their decor center and we told them about our dream home layout. Because the house we bought has no open concept, we asked them if at all possible they could remove the two walls to open up the kitchen. They said that's going to cost money and will tell me how much. They emailed me acouple of days ago and they told me it costs 12 grand just to remove the wall!
I know at the meeting I did tell them we are desperate to remove the walls and am afraid they're taking advantage of us. Can you tell me is it possible for the builder to make money on us.

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Old 2012-04-11, 01:58 PM
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We had a similar situation where we wanted to take out 2 load bearing walls from a room. The thing is that we asked the builder to do this "after" the house was already framed and bricked and was about to be insulated. This is because we realized that how much better the house would look without those 2 walls when we had our framing appointment.

They charged us $15K or so .... and I thought it was worth it as to do this after close would have cost us a lot more than $15K and potentially damage our hardwood floors and other finishing inside the house. Also I thought it was a reasonable quote as they would have to bring two new beams ... and somehow install those beams in lieu of the walls being taken out (one of the wall was a 19ft wall) without damaging anything else and keeping the structural integrity intact.

In your case, you are asking them to do this "prior" to the house being built ... so they its an easy change for them. But ofcourse they would quote you based on what it would cost to do this later (and trust me you don't want to this this after close ... huge headache).

Having said that, if the walls are NOT load bearing .. then perhaps you could do this after close.

So if you really want this and the walls in question are load bearing .... you would have to go for with the builder unfortunately
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Old 2012-04-11, 02:05 PM
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We had a similar situation where we wanted to take out 2 load bearing walls from a room. The thing is that we asked the builder to do this "after" the house was already framed and bricked and was about to be insulated. This is because we realized that how much better the house would look without those 2 walls when we had our framing appointment.

They charged us $15K or so .... and I thought it was worth it as to do this after close would have cost us a lot more than $15K and potentially damage our hardwood floors and other finishing inside the house. Also I thought it was a reasonable quote as they would have to bring two new beams ... and somehow install those beams in lieu of the walls being taken out (one of the wall was a 19ft wall) without damaging anything else and keeping the structural integrity intact.

In your case, you are asking them to do this "prior" to the house being built ... so they its an easy change for them. But ofcourse they would quote you based on what it would cost to do this later (and trust me you don't want to this this after close ... huge headache).

Having said that, if the walls are NOT load bearing .. then perhaps you could do this after close.

So if you really want this and the walls in question are load bearing .... you would have to go for with the builder unfortunately
Builders are all the same Vampires " sucking blood (money)". One would think such changes should not be so expensive since they will be using less material. Even if there are load bearing or structural wall, a metal beam can be place across to support. Never show your desperation to any builder, they will exploit it to the max. In my own opinion, changes like this should not cost more than $2.5K or $3k max.
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Old 2012-04-11, 02:41 PM
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Builders are all the same Vampires " sucking blood (money)". One would think such changes should not be so expensive since they will be using less material. Even if there are load bearing or structural wall, a metal beam can be place across to support. Never show your desperation to any builder, they will exploit it to the max. In my own opinion, changes like this should not cost more than $2.5K or $3k max.
You are so right! At first she the decor manager told me it should cost around 5 grand. But when consulted with the architecture guy, she has to revise.
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Old 2012-04-11, 02:56 PM
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I'm not sure I understand..

The floorplan has been engineered and designed and priced out.

You want to change it with a major structural modification. So this mean re-engineering it to work with this.

What you describe would be adding multiple LVLs to carry the load on top of additional structural that potentially has to be engineered down to the footings.

And it's different than the other models of the same name, so it requires more babysitting.

Production builders are in the cookie-cutter business. As soon as you try and customize it, it becomes a pain in the ass for them
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One thing you need to learn early on is that they make money with these "changes" and "upgrades." Wait till you choose your finishes at the decor centre, you will likely suffer another shock.

Another thing they do is if they don't really want to do it, they jack up the price. This way, you likely won't do it or if you do they were compensated enough to make it worthwhile to them.

But as a general rule they charge ridiculous amounts of money for structural changes and upgrades. The thing to do is to request them as part of your offer at the sales office. But it's too late for that now.

Having said that, I agree with one of the previous posts that if it's a weight bearing wall, do it now if it means that much to you. Otherwise, it's a huge job after the fact. If it's not a weight bearing wall, it will be a cosmetic job and can be done afterwards. But if you have hardwood floors put in, it will still create a bit of a mess to fix the floor where it used to be cut around a wall. If it's carpet, no worries then.
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Old 2012-04-11, 03:57 PM
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I'm not sure I understand..

The floorplan has been engineered and designed and priced out.

You want to change it with a major structural modification. So this mean re-engineering it to work with this.

What you describe would be adding multiple LVLs to carry the load on top of additional structural that potentially has to be engineered down to the footings.

And it's different than the other models of the same name, so it requires more babysitting.

Production builders are in the cookie-cutter business. As soon as you try and customize it, it becomes a pain in the ass for them
Maybe you're right. I am a pain in the ass cause I also asked them to take out existing windows. But I don't understand why they can;t change the layout. Is it that difficult to do? Whatever wires that were supposedly be there can be rewired elsewhere. I just really think they want to suck my blood.
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post the floor plan so we can see the walls you want to take out.
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I want to remove the half wall and the wall from the kitchen to the dining room
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Old 2012-04-11, 04:51 PM
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Can you tell me is it possible for the builder to make money on us.
Of course they can!! They're mass production builders, not custom home builders. They can charge anything they want for a change to the floorplan.

Why does a $45 potlight cost $250 through a builder? Because they can.
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