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Old 2012-04-11, 08:50 PM
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Well, i like to blame builders for a lot of things, but I have to say that I can see why they would charge that much. They can't just take out structural beams without some sort of engineering approval. Then has to be submitted and likely reviewed by the city. The potential for them to deal with more problems than usual when not following the beaten path is alot higher, so they must feel the compensation must be adequate for them. After all, it is a business just like anything else...

If you felt THAT strongly about it, you should've gotten a quote or negoiated a price with your offer of purchase.
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Old 2012-04-11, 09:35 PM
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These are not custom homes.
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Old 2012-04-11, 10:01 PM
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Maybe you're right. I am a pain in the ass cause I also asked them to take out existing windows. But I don't understand why they can;t change the layout. Is it that difficult to do? Whatever wires that were supposedly be there can be rewired elsewhere. I just really think they want to suck my blood.
The house you are buying was already done before you even signed for it. It just needs to be assembled.

If there are changes that affect the numbers for how the house was already contracted out, then that means doing it all over again. It's not as easy as it sounds. I've been a part of this from the builders side many times.
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Old 2012-04-12, 09:40 AM
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As earlier stated, best time to do this is at the time you buy at the sales office. My husband and I lucked out tremendously with a great builder that ok'ed quite a few changes for us. I've put this in another post somewhere, but to give you an idea of what we got for an additional $5,000 on our purchase price:

Increased kitchen by moving wall 2 more feet into dining room - increased counter, # of cabinets and granite;
Moved laundry room to mid-level great room from basement (we split great room into laundry and office)...includes addition of 2 walls, door, tiles, sink/plumbing etc., paint;
Increased ensuite bath and closet by moving wall 4 feet into one of the bedrooms (future nursery - how big does a baby need room, really? lol);
Added sink/double counter/cabinet and larger shower to ensuite bath;
Added 4 ft x 3.5 ft raised breakfast bar island in kitchen with granite;
Stained all oak stairs and railings to match hardwood, etc.;

That's all I can remember....

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Old 2012-04-12, 09:59 AM
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Hoping not to sound too naive, but you'd think to remove items out of the house would cost less, no?
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Old 2012-04-12, 01:10 PM
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As earlier stated, best time to do this is at the time you buy at the sales office. My husband and I lucked out tremendously with a great builder that ok'ed quite a few changes for us. I've put this in another post somewhere, but to give you an idea of what we got for an additional $5,000 on our purchase price:

Increased kitchen by moving wall 2 more feet into dining room - increased counter, # of cabinets and granite;
Moved laundry room to mid-level great room from basement (we split great room into laundry and office)...includes addition of 2 walls, door, tiles, sink/plumbing etc., paint;
Increased ensuite bath and closet by moving wall 4 feet into one of the bedrooms (future nursery - how big does a baby need room, really? lol);
Added sink/double counter/cabinet and larger shower to ensuite bath;
Added 4 ft x 3.5 ft raised breakfast bar island in kitchen with granite;
Stained all oak stairs and railings to match hardwood, etc.;

That's all I can remember....
WOW!!!you really lucked out. Who was the builder? What you did is what i intend to do with the exception of adding two walls, I want the wall down.
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Old 2012-04-12, 01:12 PM
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can anyone just tell me by looking at the floorplan if the wall is a structural beam or cosmetic?
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Old 2012-04-12, 05:08 PM
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can anyone just tell me by looking at the floorplan if the wall is a structural beam or cosmetic?
not with any certainty, however, given that without that wall, your floor joists would have to span the entire width of the house to support the second floor, i would bet that wall is structural.

i suspect it also carries plumbing and hvac as well.
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Old 2012-04-12, 05:14 PM
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Hoping not to sound too naive, but you'd think to remove items out of the house would cost less, no?
No. Removing a wall and adding a beam and vertical supports for that beam, and getting it all engineered, will be more expensive than building that wall.

That said, the rule of thumb with builders appears to be, if you remove something, you are given no credit for the materials and labour you eliminated, and you are charged full rate plus markup for what you add. There are coordination costs involved for the builder.
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Old 2012-04-12, 05:22 PM
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can anyone just tell me by looking at the floorplan if the wall is a structural beam or cosmetic?
Load bearing wall. To frame it any other way would be madness.

Do you want to get rid of that whole ~18' long wall? It'll need to be posted down to grade in the middle to be more rigid and prevent the upstairs floor from bouncing like a trampoline. Otherwise, that's a biiiig LVL (and bulkhead) you're introducing, and you're probably making the HVAC guy's life miserable.
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